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PostSubject: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:55 pm

LoneMan Pai™️ Tulpa was born when LoneMan Pai™️ was conceived in Atziluth


From my Enochian Magick, and Khemetic Kaos Magick- along with some Sumerian and Babylonian & raw ATR primordial forces- came a unified body of consciousness, our group Sentinel

[I also work with other Magick Groups- World-Wide... and personally know many of the authors of the books many of you here have read over the years
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Since this Forum's inception- we had over 350 registered members.


We have received thousands of visitor hits according to Google Upgrade($) Analytics


We have also been discussed on other forums, and magick sites, as well as making the video circuit on YouTube, Scribd, Facebook(S), and other social medias like Twitter, Ello, etc


Put ALL of the "awareness" "consciousness" "energy" into a hungry Sigil and feed/nurture it well sigil 


This is a Law of Successful Magickal Protocol


All that "group-think" gave rise to a very large Tulpa.


Due to what we train/perform here= "raise energy levels and achievements"...that Tulpa has evolved into an Egregore.


The lmp  has penetrated out past the cyber-boundaries of this forum... dvl


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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:00 pm

Members who received the lmp have been banned due to inactivity.

Others, who did not heed the warnings, joined just to get the LoneMan Pai™️ central core teachings.


I knew this would happen and filed it under "Collateral Damage", "Darwin's Law" and "Murphy's Law"


There is also  LoneMan Pai™️ Law....
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:02 pm

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There is also  LoneMan Pai™️ Law....

"Everything is an energy exchange= the stronger absorbs the weaker" dv
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:07 pm

Everything here is free.

No need to steal, or bad mouth, "talk smack' etc especially when I have always been cordial and respectful to everyone.

Nothing but altruism all the way.

For whatever reasons:

Spiteful, malicious, jealousy, power-hungry egos, and competing against "teachers" who sell garbage and trick people into giving up thousands of their hard earned dollars...

fg The astral LUX/light gets stressed to the point of where inertia causes it to respond,...spring against the initial force
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:09 pm

What is happening now is those who didn't heed the warnings, and thought "Troll Life" was fun, are paying for it, now mch
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:10 pm

Fear, pain, punishment- is all energy exchange.

Can't say they weren't warned- repeatedly transadd



sigil More power for us now nooption
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:12 pm

These are the hidden insights behind ALL Magickal Lodges, Temples, Holy Shrines, etc

That,.. is the reason for much.... bow
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:33 pm

"So, an inadvertent THANK YOU! for your participation of disbelief and hostility"

-from your friends @ LoneMan Pai™ 2014- 2015


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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:38 pm

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Tulpa (Tibetan: སྤྲུལ་པWylie: sprul-pa; Sanskrit: निर्मित nirmita[1] and निर्माण nirmāṇa;[2] "to build" or "to construct") also translated as "magical emanation",[3] "conjured thing" [4] and "phantom" [5] is a concept in mysticism of a being or object which is created through sheer spiritual or mental discipline alone. It is defined in Indian Buddhist texts as any unreal, illusory or mind created apparition.
According to Alexandra David-Néel, tulpas are "magic formations generated by a powerful concentration of thought." It is a materialized thought that has taken physical form and is usually regarded as synonymous to a thoughtform.[6]

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Indian Buddhism

One early Buddhist text, the Samaññaphala Sutta lists the ability to create a “mind-made body” (manomāyakāya) as one of the "fruits of the contemplative life". Commentarial texts such as the Patisambhidamagga and the Visuddhimagga state that this mind-made body is how Gautama Buddha and arhats are able to travel into heavenly realms using the continuum of the mindstream (bodhi) and it is also used to explain the multiplication miracle of the Buddha as illustrated in the Divyavadana, in which the Buddha multiplied his emanation body ("nirmita") into countless other bodies which filled the sky. A Buddha or other realized being is able to project many such "nirmitas" simultaneously in an infinite variety of forms, in different realms simultaneously.[7]
The Indian Buddhist philosopher Vasubandhu defined nirmita as a siddhi or psychic power (Pali: iddhi, Skt: ṛddhi) developed through Buddhist discipline, concentrative discipline and wisdom (samadhi) in his seminal work on Buddhist philosophy, the Abhidharmakośa. Asanga's Bodhisattvabhūmi defines nirmāṇa as a magical illusion and “basically, something without a basis”.[8] The Madhyamaka school of philosophy sees all reality as empty of essence, all reality is seen as a form of nirmita or magical illusion.

Tibetan Buddhism

Tulpa is a spiritual discipline and teachings concept in Tibetan Buddhism and Bon. The term “thoughtform” is used as early as 1927 in Evans-Wentz' translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. John Myrdhin Reynolds in a note to his English translation of the life story of Garab Dorje defines a tulpa as “an emanation or a manifestation.”[1]
As the Tibetan use of the tulpa concept is described in the book Magical Use of Thoughtforms, the student was expected to come to the understanding that the tulpa was just a hallucination. While they were told that the tulpa was a genuine deity, "The pupil who accepted this was deemed a failure – and set off to spend the rest of his life in an uncomfortable hallucination."[9]

Alexandra David-Néel

The term is used in the works of Alexandra David-Néel, a Belgian-French explorer, spiritualist and Buddhist, who observed these practices in 20th century Tibet. Alexandra wrote that “an accomplished Bodhisattva is capable of effecting ten kinds of magic creations. The power of producing magic formations, tulkus or less lasting and materialized tulpas, does not, however, belong exclusively to such mystic exalted beings. Any human, divine or demoniac being may be possessed of it. The only difference comes from the degree of power, and this depends on the strength of the concentration and the quality of the mind itself.”[10]
Alexandra also wrote of the tulpa's ability to develop a mind of its own: “Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker's control. This, say Tibetan occultists, happens nearly mechanically, just as the child, when his body is completed and able to live apart, leaves its mother's womb.”[11] Alexandra claimed to have created a tulpa in the image of a jolly Friar Tuck-like monk which later developed a life of its own and had to be destroyed.[12] Alexandra raised the possibility that her experience was illusory: “I may have created my own hallucination.”

Thoughtform


Thought-form of the Music of Gounod, according to Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater in Thought Forms (1901).
A thoughtform is the equivalent concept to a tulpa but within the Western occult tradition. The Western understanding is believed by some to have originated as an interpretation of the Tibetan concept.[6] Its concept is related to the Western philosophy and practice of magic.[13]

Modern perspective

In recent years, a subculture has formed online who create hallucinations or imaginary friends which they call tulpas. Most such people do not believe that there is anything supernatural about tulpas. A number of web sites explain the methods people use to create tulpas of this sort.[14][15][16][17]
Chidambaram Ramesh, an Indian author and researcher, has mentioned in his book "Thought Forms and Hallucinations" that the creation of thought forms and other mental entities like Tulpa etc., is the result of holographic mind processing.[further explanation needed]
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:40 pm

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Egregore (also egregor) is an occult concept representing a "thoughtform" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme.

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History



The first author to adapt "egregore" in a modern language seems to be the French poet Victor Hugo, in La Légende des Siècles ("The Legend of the Ages"), First Series, 1859, where he uses the word "égrégore" first as an adjective, then as a noun, while leaving the meaning obscure.[1] The author seems to have needed a word rhyming with words ending in the sound "or". It would not be the only example of word creation by Victor Hugo. However, the word is the normal form that the Greek word ἑγρήγορος (Watcher) would take in French. This was the term used in the Book of Enoch for great angel-like spirits.
Eliphas Lévi, in Le Grand Arcane ("The Great Mystery", 1868) identifies "egregors" with the tradition concerning the "Watchers", the fathers of the nephilim, describing them as "terrible beings" that "crush us without pity because they are unaware of our existence."[2]
The concept of the egregore as a group thoughtform was developed in works of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the Rosicrucians[3] and has been referenced by writers such as Valentin Tomberg.
A well known concept of the egregore is the GOTOS of the Fraternitas Saturni.[4]

Contemporary usage



Gaetan Delaforge, in Gnosis magazine in 1987, defines an egregore as a kind of group mind which is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose."[5]
The concept was featured in Corporate Metabolism series of articles by Paco Xander Nathan, which were published in 2001.
The notion of "egregor" also appears in Daniil Andreyev's Roza Mira, where it represents the shining cloud-like spirit associated with the Church.
Egregore is also used in relation to the Montreal Surrealists, best known as Les Automatistes, in Ray Ellenwood's Egregore : a history of the Montréal automatist movement[6]

References


  • Bernstein, L.S. (1998). "Egregor". The Rosicrucian Archive. Confraternity of the Rose Cross. Retrieved November 22, 2011.
  • Butler, Walter Ernest (1970). "The Egregore of a School". Servantsofthelight.org. The Servants of the Light. Retrieved November 22, 2011.
  • Flowers, S. Edred (1995). Fire & Ice: Magical Teachings of Germany's Greatest Secret Occult Order. Llewellyn's Teutonic Magick Series (2nd ed.). Llewellyn Publications. ISBN 0-87542-776-6.
  • Nathan, Paco Xander (2001). "Chasing Egregors". The Scarlet Letter (Scarlet Woman Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis) VI (1).

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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:42 pm

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Egregor
by L.S. Bernstein
The Fall of the Rebel Angels (detail)
Pieter Bruegel the Elder c.1558


(1) What is an egregor?
An 'egregor' (or 'egregore') is not a word one would find in a dictionary or on the internet.
Around the year 1985, I first came upon the word 'egregore' in The Magician, his training and his work, by W. E. Butler, Aquarian Paperback, 1982 (1959), p.155, where Butler writes that:
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"A clear idea of the nature of the magical Egregore, or group form, should be built up in the mind in order that the aspirant may understand what part he plays in the whole complex scheme, and thereby may know how closely he is guided and aided in his chosen work."
[The mysterious head idol reportedly possessed by the Knights Templar, called the Baphomet, may have been intended as a representation of an egregor. RNS]
Although I was familiar with the concept of 'group form' or 'group thought form' from theosophical writings and from "magical" writers (such as Dion Fortune) I was not satisfied with the definition. Something in that word latched itself to my mind and made me investigate further.
The word also appeared in The Magical Philosophy, by M. Denning and O. Phillips, Llewellyn Publications, 1978, Vol.. IV, pp. 92-3, 95:
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"That deep level of racial and archetypal egregores...is termed the Collective Unconscious..." (.p.92)
The word appears thrice more in the discussion on the ensuing page, #93. On page 95, however, we are introduced to a new term: "Watcher".
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"...the Watcher ... at the Threshold ... is not ... a valid archetypal egregore " (p. 95)
The word also appeared in the French introductory booklet of AMORC, Maitrise de la Vie (p. 18:):
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" ... l'Egregore manifeste par la Roise-Croix constitue un idee-force ... Il est un champ d'energie cosmique ... "
By that time I had a tentative idea that the "egregore" as a terminology is descended from the Golden Dawn activities. The founders of the Golden Dawn had claimed that they received a letter of authority from German Rosicrucians. Consequently I began to search published books that related to members of that Order or its upshoots, i.e. I. Regardie, E. Underhill, Dion Fortune, A. E. Waite. Nowhere did I find the term "egregore". However, I found a book by Eliphas Levi, The Great Secret, Thorson Publishers Ltd., 1975. Chapter 10, "The Magnetism of Evil" (pp. 127-136) has a multitudinous array of egregors (spelt without an "e"):
Levi refers to the powers of nature and the cosmos as egregors. "These colossal forces have sometimes taken a shape and have appeared in the guise of giants: these are the egregors of the Book of Enoch." (p. 127).
Levi later claims, discussing the planets; "...governed by those genii which were termed the celestial watchers, or egregors, by the ancients." (p. 129)
Further on in his article he relates the egregor to the Kabbalistic Adam Kadmon ("that collective giant"), to the "Anakim in the Bible," and generally speaking to natural powers operating the world and to their analogies as they have been expressed in myths in various cultures. When he has done that, he says:
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"This is why we reject the mythology of the egregors finally and absolutely." (p. 130).
The manuscript of this work had been finished in 1868 and was first printed in 1897. Levi, who had been trained as a Roman Catholic Priest, died in 1875. The founders of the Golden Dawn were acquainted with his writings. Levi himself was conversant with Rosicrucian ideas.
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While this was going on I began to look up dictionaries, first modern dictionaries and later Latin ones. Eventually I decided to learn Greek alphabet (which took me about a month) and look up a Greek dictionary. I found the word egregor at the Intermediate Greek - English Lexicon, founded upon the seventh edition of Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon, with reference to egeiro = to be awake, to watch.
As I turned to egeiro (Root EGER) (I am transliterating into English) I found the following definitions:
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A:
(1) to awaken, to wake up, to rouse.
(2) to rouse, to stir up (example: stir up the fight)
(3) to raise from the dead (N.T.)
(4) to raise or to erect (example: a building)

B:
(1) to keep watch or vigil (Il)
(2) to be awake (Hom.)
(3) to rouse or stir oneself, be excited by passion (Hes., Thuc.)
Clearly this word had many interpretations. Obviously it was connected to watching and wakefulness. It was obvious that at least some of the references I quoted above knew of its meaning as well as its source (Levi, as will be shown below).
Since Liddell and Scott mentioned the New Testament, I then moved on to A Concordance to the Septuagint, ed. E. Hatch, first published 1897, Clarendon Press edition, "egregoros".
The Concordance brings two citations of the word egregoros, together with the Hebrew equivalent = (Hebrew letters, "ayin", "yod", "reish"). The word in Hebrew is pronounced IR or ER.
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(1) Lamentations, 4:14: "They wandered blind through the streets, polluted with blood, so that none could touch their garments."
The Septuagint translated "blind" into 'watchers"; instead of the Septuagint translators read .
Lamentations 4:14, according to the Septuagint, should be read thus:
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"Watchers moved through the streets, polluted with blood, so that none could touch their garments."
The word is spelt "ayin", "vav", "reish". The difference between the letters "yod" and "vav" is a tiny half a millimeter length of stroke. There could have been a scribal error somewhere, especially as the word IR or ER had become rather extinct as a terminology, probably from the third century C.E..
(The Vulgate translated "blind" = "caeci". Daniel 4:10 is translated in the Vulgate as "vigil").
The second reference from the Septuagint is from Daniel, 4:10, 20,
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Daniel 4:10,: "...and behold, a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven."
According to the Septuagint there are two Greek versions to this sentence: Codex A (Sinaiticus) writes egregoros but Theodosion writes "eir".
According to Andre Lacocque, Le Livre de Daniel, commentaire de l'ancien Testament, Paris, 1976, there are two versions, one "paraphrastique" (paraphrasing ) and the other "suit de pres le texte" (follows the text). The book of Daniel is the only biblical one where the Greek of the Septuagint is replaced by that of Theodosion, who adhered to the Hebrew and Aramaic text...(pp. 22, 64).
It is clear that Theodosion considered "eir" a special concept or terminology and decided not to translate it into an ordinary Greek adjective. He probably thought it would lose its significance in such a translation.
Now that we know that a Watcher is an egregor, and that an egregor is an "eir", which in Hebrew would be ("ayin", "yod", "reish") we turn to the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, with an appendix containing the biblical Aramaic, based on the Lexicon of Wm. Gesenius, Oxford Clarendon Press, 1907 (Gesenius died in 1842).
Here we come to the end of our search. According to Gesenius:
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(he writes ir, not er) = "n. m. waking, or wakeful one, i.e. angel."
The root of the word is Syrian, in Hebrew it would be "er", plural form "irin" (Daniel, 4:10, etc.).
Gesenius then continues: "c.f. Charles - Enoch..."

Thus, the mystery is solved. An egregor is an angel, sometimes called watcher; in Hebrew the word is ir, and the concept appears in The Book of Enoch, edited by Charles (that would be 1 Enoch).
- also means city. (In modern Hebrew, ir - city; arim - cities).
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(2) Interim conclusions
We have now made a full circle with circumstantial evidence, leading us to wonder whether a group of people, in the second half of the nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth century, a group that was somehow connected to the Rosicrucian mysteries, was also dealing with Enochian secrets. It is obvious that they knew of the Book of Enoch, the manuscript of which had been brought to Europe in the 18th century; they had classical education and could read Greek. Still, the secret (whatever it was) must have been a very well-kept one, for the only ones referring to Enoch are Eliphas Levi, prior to the foundation of The Golden Dawn, and the writers quoted above - after the demise of The Golden Dawn. Of the Golden Dawn itself we know they reorganized the system called Enochian magic, based on the activities of Dr. John Dee (1527 - 1608). According to the Enochian Magick Reference Document , which is well documented, Dee referred to his system as "angelic". It was the G. D. members who named it Enochian. Of John Dee it has been claimed that he was the "founder of the Rosicrucian Order, the protestant response to the Jesuits" (About Dr. John Dee).
An additional question left unanswered is whether Dr. Dee was aware of the word egregor in the sense of a watcher/angel from the Book of Enoch. I have not learned his system, but as far as I know it contains four Watch Towers with designated governors, or angels. Generally speaking, the word "governor" in Dee's context is translated into Hebrew as "Sar" (the letter "shin" vowelled as "sin" and the letter "reish"), when it is retranslated it would be "arch" like "archangels (Greek "archon" also translated as 'Prince'). This type of angel, the archangel, appears in the Book of Enoch, and the "Sarim" in there are called "Irim" as well.
What is even more amazing is that the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to "towers" protected by angels. During a discussion of angelic names, M. J. Davidson, in his Angels at Qumran (Sheffield Academic Press, 1992), explains that "The group of four archangels, Michael, Sariel, Raphael and Gabriel are called by Syncellus (1.En.9.1) 'megoloi archanggeloi'. (Syncellus in his time distinguished between 'mere' archangels and 'Mega' Archangels). The same list occurs in 1QM9.14-16, where the shields of the towers are to be inscribed with these four names." (p.326).
Davidson explains that in the Qumran Community, the war between The Sons of Light (the Qumranites) and The Sons of Darkness (all outside the sect) ... "is to be conducted with acute awareness of the place of the angelic world in it.... 1QM 9.10-16 provides details on battle formations which involve four 'towers' ('Migdalot') which are apparently units of soldiers with specifically long spears and shields.... On each of their shields is written the name of one of the four archangels." (p.228).
At this point in the article I would like to point out that most of this research was done in the l980's, before I was connected to the internet. As I have mentioned before, the word egregor simply latched itself on to my mind in a truly occult fashion. I was very happy to have solved the meaning of the term, being a native Israeli English teacher who gets annoyed by recalcitrant new English words, and who is not afraid of dictionaries. It was only in 1997, when I was linked, that I realized there was a large community on the net who were discussing this exact terminology. They were kept in ignorance because, in the polite words of Benjamin Rowe "as an obscure subject, it has not rated a great deal of attention from scholars and publishers".
The internet is mentioned here since it presented me with an additional puzzle concerning Dr. Dee and modern occult milieu, the former being the elusive Liber Loagaeth, otherwise known as Liber Mysteriorum Sextus et Sanctus, dictated to Kelly and Dee by the angels (according to the Enochian Magick Reference Document), and the latter Lovecraft's Necronomicon - "The Call of Cthulhu" (1926). Both texts deal with the Old Ones and both are reminiscent of the myth of the Fallen Angels. Lovecraft claimed to have based his Necronomicon on a Manuscript of the Liber Loagaeth but later he retracted his claim. This is in conformity with my assumption that the topic of egregors was "top secret" among operating magicians at the beginning of this century.. Somehow the mysterious Liber Loagaeth manuscript disappeared (how did it come into Lovecraft's possession ?) while Lovecraft denied ever having come into contact with it.
However, according to information on The Necronomicon, Liber Logaeth was not dictated to Kelly. The Latin text came to Dr. Dee's possession while he was at the court of Emperor Rudoph II, in Prague. Parts of the Liber Logaeth are available at Al Azif: The Manuscript Liber Logaeth.
The Necronomicon page above also refers to "the fabulous city of Irem" .
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"Irem is very important in Arab magick. 'Irem Zhat al Imad' (Irem of the Pillars) ...was probably built by the Jinn under the direction of Shaddad, Lord of the tribe of Ad. The tribe of Ad, according to legend, was a race roughly equivalent to the Hebrew 'Nephilim'....In Arab legend Irem is located in the Rub al Khali...- 'the empty Quarter' [which] ...refers to the VOID and is the same as AIN in the Kabbalistic traditions....Modern archaeologists have identified ruins at Shisha, Oman, as those of Irem, better known as the lost city of Ubar."


  • The name Irem is too close to comfort to the name IRIM (egregors) or ARIM (cities) in Hebrew (it can also be 'spelt' Erim - awake - in the plural form), especially as the Liber Logaeth (I checked the Logaeth for IREM, not the Necronomicon) deals with fallen angels.

  • "Imad" is "Amood" (Hebrew), a pillar. It comes from the Hebrew verb AMD - 'to stand' - .

  • "Jinn" in Arabic is "devil", an oriental kind of devil as in "Aladdin and the Lamp".

  • ("Majnun" in Arabic means "crazy" (bedeviled ?). )

  • "Ad" means 'eternity' or 'forever' in Hebrew ( )

Thus, Irim, the city of the Nephilim is again linked with the Book of Enoch, since the Nephilim, according to that Book, were the sons of the Irim (the egregors).
It is also linked with Sitchin's theory of the aliens who built ziggurats ("Zhat" ?) as landing sites. If I wished to speculate, I could rephrase and say that according to Arab Legend, the city of the ever-wakeful ones, had tall landing and taking off sites (pillars, ziggurats), which were built by an immortal tribe.

Moreover, the name Cthulhu, could refer to the Hebrew root = KTL ("kof", "tet", "lamed") which means to 'kill', in battle and, or, other such unsavory circumstances. Thus, Cthulhu would be the name of a mighty and lethal (KaTLani) warrior.
It must be pointed out, however, that the Liber Logaeth abounds with many other strange names. I would like to suggest, therefore, four possibilities:
(1) The similarity of the names Irem and Cthulhu to Hebrew is accidental;
(2) Dr. Dee received those names by channeling and scrying from incorporeal entities;
(3) An excerpt or a manuscript of The Book of Enoch was available to Dr. Dee; (4) An excerpt or a manuscript of what later came to be known as Liber Logaeth was available to Dr. Dee.

Since I prefer the third possibility, which again connects me to the Book of Enoch, I ask myself again whether Dr. Dee had some kind of version, or excerpt of Enoch in his extensive library.
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(3) Was there an excerpt of The Book of Enoch in Dee's period ?
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"The Book of Enoch is among the important Jewish apocalyptic books of the Second Temple. It was considered part of the scriptures among the Christians until the third century C.E. and Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament (Jude, 14) as a prophet: Later it became apocryphal and as the years went by it was lost. It was preserved only in the Ethiopic Church."
(Mikra Encyclopaedia, Book of Enoch - Hebrew).
According to Michael A. Knibb, The Ethiopic Book of Enoch, Oxford U. Press, 1978, "Regrettably we have no information concerning the circumstances in which Enoch was translated from Aramaic into Greek nor of the presumed date of translation ... fourth to sixth centuries ..." (p. 27)
According to Matthew Black, The Book of Enoch - or 1 Enoch, Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1985, "...no one seems to doubt that it was a Greek vorlage which the Ethiopic translated, with or without the help of a copy of the Semitic (in my view Hebrew) original." (p. 4)
According to J. T. Milik, The Book of Enoch, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4, Oxford, 1976, "The altogether incontestable terminus ante quem falls in the year 164 BC, the date of the composition of the Book of Dreams which is closely dependent on the Book of Watchers." (p. 24)
Prior to the modern research of the Book of Enoch, hardly nothing was known about it, while "the short Greek excerpts in Syncellus, covering 6.1-10, 14; 15.8 - 16.1, provided the only source of information we had". (Knibb, p.1.)
Georgius Syncellus wrote, at the beginning of the 9th century (808-810) a chronography of the earth, from the first day of creation to the year 284 C.E. Syncellus used The Book of Enoch as part of his sources, though, according to Milik, not directly: "It will be remembered, however, that he [Syncellus] was acquainted with the Enochic writings only through the works of the Alexandrian historians Pandorus and Annianus (around C. E. 400)." (Milik, p. 5.)
Fortunately for us, Syncellus' sources were based on the "Book of Giants". As a result, the Greek excerpts that survived supplement the Ethiopic text.

The Chronography of Syncellus was translated into Latin already at the beginning of the 9th century, together with the Chronographies of the Confessor (752-818) and others by Anastasius, surnamed Bibliothecarius, who, after having been cardinal and anti-pope and thrice excommunicated, became papal librarian under Hadrian II and John VIII. His literary energy was great, especially in translation from the Greek. (A History of Historical Writing, by J. W. Thompson, McMillan Co. USA, 1942, p. 207).
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"Anastasius was one of the few people in the west who knew Greek..." (p.174).
However, the Latin version of Anastasius, which is called Historia Tripartita or Chronographia Tripartita and which was used in the West does not refer to the fallen angels, since Syncellus was used as a source only from Roman times.
Knibb claims that a Latin translation of the entire Book of Enoch may have existed at one time, and brings, as a reference, two examples, one of which from the 9th century:
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"En.1.9, the passage quoted in Jude 14f., is quoted also by Ps. Cyprian and Ps. Vigilius. The latter seems to have taken the passages not from Jude, but from the Book of Enoch itself ..."
"... In 1893, M. R. James discovered a fragment of Enoch in Latin in a 9th century British Museum manuscript ..." (Knibb, p.21, and notes #43, #44)
Between the 9th and 15th centuries, as far as I know, there is no evidence that the Book of Enoch was used, directly, or through quotations, not to mention the expression egregor in Greek or in Latin.
Milik writes that "The existence of a book of Enoch kept by the Abyssinian church among the sacred books of their bible had been known in Europe, in a vague way, since the end of the fifteenth century" (p. V). He does not bring reference.
Pico Della Mirandola (end of 15th century) heard of Enoch: "It is probably of this type of work that Pico is thinking when he says that his practical cabala has nothing to do with the wicked magics going on under the names of Solomon, Moses, Enoch or Adam, by which demons were conjured by bad magicians ... from Pico's Apologia." (Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition, Frances Yates, U of Chicago Press, 1964, p.107 and note #2).
After the fall of Constantinople, (1453 C.E.) many texts of the Roman and Greek culture reached the West. On the other hand, the legend of the angelic uprising was known in the east of the Empire. A Bar Hebraeus (1226 - 1286) wrote an extensive chronography on the subject:
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"...Therefore, according to what time hath brought, I, having entered the Library of the city of MARAGHAH of ADHORBIJAN, have loaded up this my little book with narratives ... from many volumes of the Syrians, Saracens (Arab), and Persians which are preserved here....
After Adam came Seth his son. In the time of Seth, when his sons remembered the blessed life (which they had led) in Paradise, they went up into the mountain of Hermon, and there they led a chaste and holy life, being remote from carnal intercourse; and for this reason they were called IRE , meaning watchers and sons of Alohim. ... After Seth came Anosh his son ... although he submitted to marriage, he was not neglectful in pleasing God, and he did so more than those who chose a life of virginity and who went up into the mountain of Hermon, but who did not abide in their covenant ...
...And in the fortieth year of Yard [biblical Yared]... the Sons of God, about two hundred souls, came down from the mountain of Hermon, because they had lost all hope of a return to Paradise. And because they lusted for carnal intercourse with women, their brethren the sons of Seth and Anosh despised them, and regarded them as transgressors of the covenant, and they refused to give them their daughters. And because of this, they went to the children of Cain, and took wives, and begat mighty men of names ... notorious for murders and robberies. Moreover, they set up over them the first king, a man whose name was Samyazos.
...The ancient Greeks say that Enoch is Harmis [Hermes ] Trismaghistos ..." etc.
(The Chronography of Bar Hebraeus (1226-1286), translated by E. W. Budge, 1932).
Thus, it is obvious that the legend of Enoch was assimilated in the Orient (and in the Slavonic world as well - there are Slavonic translations).
As far as the west is concerned, direct quotations from Syncellus could be found at the Chronography of all Times, the Thesaurus Temporum. This one was compiled and edited by Josephus Juste Scaliger (1540 - 1609). It is written in Greek, which I do not read. The book I saw was Reproductio phototypica editionis 1606 Thesaurus Temporum, Lugduni Batavorum, 1606.
Dr. Dee who knew Greek (he would write notes in Greek in his diary) died in 1608. However, his "angelic" activities took place in the last decade of the 16th century. Nevertheless, in the light of the proximity of dates, it cannot be ruled out that he had seen, read or owned a Chronography or a manuscript quoting the Greek Syncellus.
The Thesaurus Temporum was finally translated into Latin and published in 1652 ("Prodiit Parisiis a.1652, Typis Venetis revisum a.1729).
The Latin Chronology says:
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"Canon Chronicus...ad Georgii Syncelli Chronologiam...
Anni a mundi conditu
1000 primus egregorum descensus
1058 egregororum ad filias hominum profectio secunda
1077 Egregogorum manifesta transgressio
1123 Enoch nascitur (Enoch annus 1)..
1420 Diluvium futurum Enocho revelatur (Enoch anni 298)
1487 Enoch transferatur in paradisum (Enoch anni 365)
1642 De Enoch anni non emplius loquitur Georgius.
Noe nascitur, 1643 Noe annus 1.
It is obvious from the above that even though the Chronography is very concise, the word egregor is rather extensively used in its context. The translator, Goar, did not change egregor into "vigil".(from Greek into Latin). He also claimed that he used for his translation Scaliger's compilation as well as a Codex Palatinus by Syncellus, #246 in the Vatican Library, "Romae, Anno 1637" (p. 72)
In conclusion I would venture to suggest that Dr. John Dee could have come into contact with a version of the Book of Enoch; a Slavonic version perhaps, or the Greek excerpts by Syncellus. It would also account for the great secrecy under which this term was both kept, and preserved. Although the Irim, the egregors, are angels on both sides of the camp - fallen angels as well as faithful ones . This may not be quite so clear to a lay reader, or even to an occultist or a mystic, in our times, not to mention the religious atmosphere of the 16th and 17th centuries.

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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:52 pm

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What an interesting and well thought / researched OP. Well done!
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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:18 pm

I found this very interesting, especially the stuff about the Gautama Buddha. I was wondering, do you guys think that a developed LDT could be something similar to a tulpa? I think of this because, they say you need to concentrate and put energy into your LDT, maybe a little like a tulpa.

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PostSubject: Re: The Transition Of The LoneMan Pai™ Tulpa ~Egregore < Offense Now   Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:09 pm

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I found this very interesting, especially the stuff about the Gautama Buddha. I was wondering, do you guys think that a developed LDT could be something similar to a tulpa? I think of this because, they say you need to concentrate and put energy into your LDT, maybe a little like a tulpa.

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I understand how you can perceive the parallels of both- but an LDT is simply science, bro cheers
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